Nice thread. I always love to read about new remote options.
I'm a German living in Berlin, so concerning your question:
Yes, Berlin is much cheaper than Munich and still a bit cheaper than a lot of other German cities. This is because of its past and its split in East and West Berlin which ended in 1990. After the fall of the Berlin Wall,…
Nice thread. I always love to read about new remote options.
I'm a German living in Berlin, so concerning your question:
Yes, Berlin is much cheaper than Munich and still a bit cheaper than a lot of other German cities. This is because of its past and its split in East and West Berlin which ended in 1990. After the fall of the Berlin Wall, Berlin became an outstandingly cheap and adventurous place to live for the next around 20 years, with a high cultural value at the same time. Very attractive especially for young people. The cost situation changed a lot after 2010, where especially rents finally became much higher.
Munich is the most expensive city in Germany, but also economically the best one, including for devs I think. Though Berlin is also not bad for devs.
Have some tips how to try finding a job directly in a city of my choice, e.g. in Dublin? Because I find it tricky to search in a specific town.
I thought prices in Berlin had caught up to Munich. Regarding Dublin, you can check LinkedIn or eurotoptechjobs.com as well. Also networking - on Linkedin, or wherever - with people working there in some of your target companies will help.
Yes Berlin has caught up, but not totally. That's at least what I'm hearing, and I'm pretty sure it's true. I also don't believe that Berlin will be on par with Munich in close future. Because the economic strength in Germany is still in the south, especially in "classic" industries. They have a very strong position there. While in Berlin, there is still not a lot of classic industries (I think). Something like that cannot be changed fast.
Though Berlin has become a tech hub within the last 10 years (meaning dev stuff and the like). That strengthened its position. But Munich is also strong there. Plus Munich has more money, so they can invest more. Economically strong German cities are also Hamburg, Stuttgart and Frankfurt. Though you should avoid Stuttgart because it's boring lol (unless it has hugely caught up in the recent years, but I don't believe so). Hamburg is pretty good, maybe Frankfurt is ok too, though I don't know Frankfurt well.
Berlin has not caught up yet with costs and probably never will, as also the costs in Munich are increasing. It almost caught up iwth salaries in IT, there is not such a wide gap anymore.
I moved to Berlin 10 years ago and it was still a cheap city, you could find affordable rent. The rent increase is capped for existing rental contracts, so it's possible to find people with "old" contracts payin few hundred of EUR for a big flat in the city centre. The salaries increased a lot since 10 years ago, so someone can have a nice life and nice savings if the housing costs are low - that does not apply to the ones moving now to the city, who will get "new" contracts or temporary ones, that are expensive.
Given that Berlin has a lot of things to do, has good infrastructure and there are a lot of young and unconventional people here, I would say it's one of the best options to live in Europe, especially for young people. For people with families, might be not.
Nice thread. I always love to read about new remote options.
I'm a German living in Berlin, so concerning your question:
Yes, Berlin is much cheaper than Munich and still a bit cheaper than a lot of other German cities. This is because of its past and its split in East and West Berlin which ended in 1990. After the fall of the Berlin Wall, Berlin became an outstandingly cheap and adventurous place to live for the next around 20 years, with a high cultural value at the same time. Very attractive especially for young people. The cost situation changed a lot after 2010, where especially rents finally became much higher.
Munich is the most expensive city in Germany, but also economically the best one, including for devs I think. Though Berlin is also not bad for devs.
Have some tips how to try finding a job directly in a city of my choice, e.g. in Dublin? Because I find it tricky to search in a specific town.
I thought prices in Berlin had caught up to Munich. Regarding Dublin, you can check LinkedIn or eurotoptechjobs.com as well. Also networking - on Linkedin, or wherever - with people working there in some of your target companies will help.
Ok thanks, I'll try that.
Yes Berlin has caught up, but not totally. That's at least what I'm hearing, and I'm pretty sure it's true. I also don't believe that Berlin will be on par with Munich in close future. Because the economic strength in Germany is still in the south, especially in "classic" industries. They have a very strong position there. While in Berlin, there is still not a lot of classic industries (I think). Something like that cannot be changed fast.
Though Berlin has become a tech hub within the last 10 years (meaning dev stuff and the like). That strengthened its position. But Munich is also strong there. Plus Munich has more money, so they can invest more. Economically strong German cities are also Hamburg, Stuttgart and Frankfurt. Though you should avoid Stuttgart because it's boring lol (unless it has hugely caught up in the recent years, but I don't believe so). Hamburg is pretty good, maybe Frankfurt is ok too, though I don't know Frankfurt well.
Berlin is No 1 in partying though 😜
Berlin has not caught up yet with costs and probably never will, as also the costs in Munich are increasing. It almost caught up iwth salaries in IT, there is not such a wide gap anymore.
I moved to Berlin 10 years ago and it was still a cheap city, you could find affordable rent. The rent increase is capped for existing rental contracts, so it's possible to find people with "old" contracts payin few hundred of EUR for a big flat in the city centre. The salaries increased a lot since 10 years ago, so someone can have a nice life and nice savings if the housing costs are low - that does not apply to the ones moving now to the city, who will get "new" contracts or temporary ones, that are expensive.
Given that Berlin has a lot of things to do, has good infrastructure and there are a lot of young and unconventional people here, I would say it's one of the best options to live in Europe, especially for young people. For people with families, might be not.